Fork to 1.10.2 [Question]

[gameofblocksdev]

Hey there, I just checked out how the existing codebase goes with the latest 1.10.2 Forge. It's not TOO big a project to port it (I think), just a bit of find & replace for the newer API calls & implement the newer post 1.8 JSON based rendering system. The compendium might need a bit more work as the API it's using hasn't been ported over, but that's still not too big an issue.

Anyway, mind if I have a crack at porting it in my horribly insufficient spare time? I solemnly promise to not be a jerk! It's one of my favorite mod's and I'd love to have it working now that the migration away from 1.7.10 has started.

[way2muchnoise]

Sure you can port and PR it :D Main reason that it isn't ported is cause we have no time either. :'(

[gameofblocksdev]

Such is life haha. Ok cool, just thought I'd check & make sure I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. :)

[way2muchnoise]

Not at all. I just don't have the time for the actual porting. (cba to make jsons for all the things)

[gameofblocksdev]

Sooo.... after digging around the code and getting up to the point where I'm starting to get things working.......I'm kinda wanting to make a few changes. I've been deliberately looking over the mod again with a more critical eye. Here's a by no means comprehensive list of stuff I'd like to do:

• I think having the decomposer & synthesis machines as blocks that can pull & push to any face without conduits required would be nice. That alone, if nothing else, is something I'd want to do, it's my single largest gripe. Less JSON wrangling too that way haha.
• I'd like to create a radioisotope thermoelectric generator block to use all those spare radioisotopes I always seem to accumulate. Cos it's not like we have enough ways to produce RF already.

-I'd kinda like to output solids, liquids & gases directly from the decomposer and not produce magical test tubes. That was weird. This is also to work with the various in-world interactions I'd like to see. Turning those outputs into actual fluids, blocks, dusts & gases (that are oredicted of course) would require dedicated forms of synthesiser. So a Crystaliser to make metal dusts, basic stone & diamonds, and similar synthesis machines for the other matter states. Being able to just randomly throw together atoms and make leather or something would be a more late-game thing, and even then restricted to vanilla items. I just want to remove more of the "Complicated EE2" feel. A good cobbleworks would still be able to produce an infinite amount of resources at end-game, so it should still be attractive to players. Making sure fluids are TiC smeltery compatible, gases work nicely with Mekanism etc would be a certainty.

• New machines for infusing items, filling test tubes & transmuting between states of matter as mentioned before. So liquid hydrogen would need cooling/pressurisation, and if you dump a bucket back into the world it'll disperse back into gas.

-There's a ton of new effects I'd like to add. I.....don't even know where to begin haha.

• The ability to add new effects to potions. Doing MUCH more with potions overall. Obviously allowing for potions to actually stack would be critical to this. Maybe even a potion-launcher ranged weapon or something.

-The polytool get's an overhaul. A hotkey to allow you to change out a "module", for different modes. You create the modules via infusing them with chemicals (similar effects to how it works currently). It also becomes a bit of a "wrench" item for assembling various bit's a & bobs.

• A labcoat you can add potion-effects to and that protects you from negative effects when you consume chemicals. Upgradeable. Also an ability to infuse other armors with particular effects.

-Removing outright damage from drugs in favor of an addiction system, similar in some ways to Thaumcraft warp. Short term advantages at the cost of long-term risks.

-Remember Witchery brews & infusions? Now wouldn't something similar make total sense in a mod like this? I think so. I'd also like ways to deal with players wearing DE armor haha :)

• In-world interaction stuff (like tossing sodium metal into water exploding). Think dispensing aerial poisons into enclosed areas to act as mob grinders, that sort of thing. Also other interactions with various other machines & blocks. Eg. pipe O2 gas into any furnace(including modded furnaces, like smelters) and it acts as a tick accelerator, pipe certain acids into any grinder, it gives bonus outputs. Stuff like that.

-Preventing radioisotope decay while still in a machine - cos that's just irritating. Giving the lead-lined cases much larger inventories. Some storage block that more or less just a bunch of barrels, but themed to fit a Laboratory build.

-The journal system is just odd. I mean, the only way you learn the various chemicals & drugs is AFTER you scan them. Meaning you have to look up the recipe in NEI anyway, meaning the journal is kinda pointless except as a weird recipe auto-crafting type thing. I'd rather redo it as a straight-up ingame guide, but maybe unlock more advanced compounds as players research vanilla items, and common modded stuff like ores. I'd probably just use GuideAPI. So a little like the Thaumcraft book, but more lean and no mini-game.

• The more I look at the fission/fusion reactor multi-blocks, the more I itch to rework them. They're just big static blocks of repetitive textures. And the input/output mechanics aren't great. I'm undecided how/what I'd do, but at the least some nicer textures, maybe some sort of animation (maybe a screen showing atoms splitting apart or fusing) would be cool.

-A multiblock furnace /jk.

So yeah: The list of stuff I want to add/tweak/alter just keeps growing. I've also been chatting to an actual real-world chemist & Minechem fan who has suggested a bunch of changes to effects, new compounds, cool ideas for in-world interactions & crafting etc.

Sooo.....is it ok if I make this more or less a v6? My working title: "Minechem 6: Sciencing Intensifies". It's fine if it's not, I'd totally get that and I'll start fresh with my own project. I'm just envisioning the basic chemistry stuff staying the same (to a large degree), but the mod growing into a more overall Mad Science themed Thaumcraft-esque deal.

[jakimfett]

@gameofblocksdev just a heads up, I've got a Google Doc with a ton of info about what I was planning with v6. If you'd like to take a look, go ahead.

That being said...do whatever you want. I'm done with Minecraft modding, so I can't really say I have a huge stake in where you take it.

Most importantly...have fun.

[goldentreeink]

If this project is still active, i would love to hear about it.

[jakimfett]

@penguinilik8 see my blogpost for my own status. I've yet to see any code for a port.

[darthvader45]

@way2muchnoise Alrighty, is it all right if I fork it and carry the torch for this awesome mod? Just needs a quick port to 1.10.2 and make CofHCore a loose dependency (meaning it won't be flat-out required to run this mod), and make sure blocks have a Json model. Other than that, the majority will be picking out errors and calling to new stuff to make sure the blocks and items work as intended. Multiblocks will be a real pain, so they may not make the first update.

[jakimfett]

@darthvader45 Go nuts, it's open source, I'd love to see a pull request from you!

[M0RGaming]

@jakimfett Is it ok if I make another chem mod using these textures for 1.10. I'm making a chem mod anyways, its gonna be called Valence. I'm just really, really bad at drawing. I will put you in the credits for the mod. It's just, this mod is really good, and I would like to have a 1.10 version without having to go through thousands of files trying to fix a bunch of random errors, so I'm making a new mod. Please tell me if I can use the textures, thanks - M0R

[darthvader45]

@M0RGaming It's open-source, go nuts. Hmm, maybe you can make it very similar and credit jakimfett for the idea and original code. I'd love to see this mod back in Minecraft, even in a new form.

[M0RGaming]

Cool
Im planning on also adding other blocs to the game such as a particle accelerator
Il link the mod on this page after its done.
-M0R

[darthvader45]

Alrighty, definitely have each element and being able to break down blocks and items into their corresponding elements, as well as combining them for something new. The one thing I wanted with the original mod is the fact that making meth should be dangerous. The combination of elements to make meth in a synthesizer should have a decent chance of making it explode (you know, like tnt?). Meth is highly explosive with the right conditions, as well as causing a fire.

[AstraSpec]

Been almost a month since the last comment. Would love to hear any progress made.

[M0RGaming]

@DarkVoidTV sorry didn't get much done because I had finals, but the basic version of it will probably be done by the time summer ends.